DUST Search - Why the CPM vote is critical to fans of Dust.

Soraya Xel wrote:

Teilka Darkmist wrote:

I have to respectfully disagree. It should be one account, one vote as it is for csm not linked to wp or sp at all. Eve has just as much opportunity for multiple accounts as dust has and considering that the monthly fee for eve can be paid for purely by making money in game and there are people who earn enough isk in a month on just one character that they could afford a plex for multiple accounts the argument that eve players pay a subscription and dust players don't is a non-issue or at least greatly reduced.

Even with PLEX, it's significant time investment to accomplish funding additional accounts. And through that PLEX, CCP was originally paid for it. Meaning each vote indicates an expenditure of money somewhere along the line. The cost of supporting accounts, be it ISK or real monies makes it prohibitive to stack voting. The amount of "voter fraud" would pale in comparison to the number of overall votes, and be generally negligible.

On the other hand, with DUST's smaller community, and the fact that you can spin up a new account every three minutes, it'd be extremely easy to overrun the voting system with fictitious votes and change the outcome of the election. Due to boosters and passive SP, I think a War Point gate is the most responsible measure, as it requires that you've actually played the game a certain amount.

'You can only post every 5 minutes because your account is less than 2 days old' - This gets old VERY quickly.


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Teilka Darkmist 18	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:43:00 - [1] - Quote I agree with what you've said here. These are lessons eve players have learned through 8 CSM elections so far. Whilst some of them do have a personal bias towards a certain play style, it's the CSM's who are working to try an benefit the whole community that are generally the best. In Dust we have the opportunity of learning from the past mistakes of the CSM and we have their example to guide a model that works for dust players as well. There are already people putting their names forwards for CPM in the cpm section of the forums (I forget exactly what it's called) and I urge people to go there, read about the potential candidates and their platforms and choose which ones you feel will best represent you to CCP. If there's no-one who does, and if you have the free time to devote to it, maybe consider putting your own name and platform forwards. At the very least you'll get your issues out there to be seen by other players. 'You can only post every 5 minutes because your account is less than 2 days old' - This gets old VERY quickly.
Teilka Darkmist 18	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:00:00 - [2] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: With the lack of a subscription and account details of players, and the multiple nature of accounts on PS3 eligibility to vote is likely going to those charectors with a minimum of SP and/or WP. For the SP I'd argue the total amount of possible passive (non boosted) earned in the lifetime of the toon plus an extra 50% of it, as proof that the player has been active on that account. Example. A toon has been active with passive, unboosted SP gain for 365 days. I believe its one SP every 4 secs, 15 a minute. So 7,884,000 each year. Add 50% and for a 1 year old toon to be eligible to vote they need a minimum of 11,826,000 SP. Using that figure you can work out how many a 6 month old toon would need. 5,913,000 in fact. I'd also argue that a toon needs to be a minimum of 6 months old, prior to the announcement date of the election. When it comes to CPM2, a 2 year old toon would need a minimum of 23,652,000 etc, etc.... This would ensure that only the active players could vote on such matters. If in a years time, you have two toons with 24m SP each, then frankly you deserve two votes! I have to respectfully disagree. It should be one account, one vote as it is for csm not linked to wp or sp at all. Eve has just as much opportunity for multiple accounts as dust has and considering that the monthly fee for eve can be paid for purely by making money in game and there are people who earn enough isk in a month on just one character that they could afford a plex for multiple accounts the argument that eve players pay a subscription and dust players don't is a non-issue or at least greatly reduced. 'You can only post every 5 minutes because your account is less than 2 days old' - This gets old VERY quickly.
Teilka Darkmist 18	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:30:00 - [3] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: I have to respectfully disagree. It should be one account, one vote as it is for csm not linked to wp or sp at all. Eve has just as much opportunity for multiple accounts as dust has and considering that the monthly fee for eve can be paid for purely by making money in game and there are people who earn enough isk in a month on just one character that they could afford a plex for multiple accounts the argument that eve players pay a subscription and dust players don't is a non-issue or at least greatly reduced. Even with PLEX, it's significant time investment to accomplish funding additional accounts. And through that PLEX, CCP was originally paid for it. Meaning each vote indicates an expenditure of money somewhere along the line. The cost of supporting accounts, be it ISK or real monies makes it prohibitive to stack voting. The amount of "voter fraud" would pale in comparison to the number of overall votes, and be generally negligible. On the other hand, with DUST's smaller community, and the fact that you can spin up a new account every three minutes, it'd be extremely easy to overrun the voting system with fictitious votes and change the outcome of the election. Due to boosters and passive SP, I think a War Point gate is the most responsible measure, as it requires that you've actually played the game a certain amount. A trader can potentially earn several billion isk a month whilst mostly logged off by putting buy and sell orders on the market. Yes they need some capital to start off, which does takes either a little time or some rl money through buying plexes. And there is some time spent online deciding what to buy and sell and managing the actual orders, but it doesn't have to be a significant amount of time. As to the SP or WP limit for dust players. I've had a character since beta and, due to real life concerns, I haven't been able to play as much as I would have liked, also, due to my preffered playstyle of being a sniper my wp's per match is actually pretty low. Right now, my SP stands at just under 9.6 million and my wp total is just over 25k. What you're suggesting would likely deny me my vote due to factors mostly beyond my control. I do agree that there should probably be a minimum time you've had an account to qualify to vote, I don't believe that trial account holders in eve get to vote for csm for example (I could be wrong there though). That would mean that spinning up a new account every three minutes is not a possible tactic and makes some sense in that an account less than maybe a few weeks old likely doesn't have the background knowledge of the game and it's issues to make an informed decision between the candidates. 'You can only post every 5 minutes because your account is less than 2 days old' - This gets old VERY quickly.